Josh and Boys Are Back But Where's Mom?: Demons and Saints
Previously: Josh says his wife went to bed, and after the giant red stain had been cleaned with the rug cleaner and box fans set up to dry, he decided that moment to take a midnight camping trip in a snowstorm to the Pony Express Trail, a 6 hour drive away. Josh says mother Susan stayed at home in bed, but the boys still talk about the trip where Mommy was in the trunk, went out to look for gems, but did not come back. One man says they saw the minvan driving in the desert snow, flashing headlights if he got too close.
Free Breakfast at Sandy Comfort Inn
As the sun rose on the Monday morning of December 7, 2009, Robin Leanne Snyder, 53 worked at the Comfort Inn in the town of Sandy, about 17 miles or a half hour south of Salt Lake City. She saw Josh Powell and the boys showed up for a free continental breakfast at the Comfort Inn which was set up for people who stayed there, but which random travelers could also take advantage of at times. (myself, I would NEVER drop in at a hotel I wasn't staying at...) She recalled “Charlie looked right up at me and he says, ‘Do you know what happened to my mom?’ So I say, ‘No, what happened to your mom?’” But before she could wait for answer, she had to step away to get some more coffee. She went back to look for the boy, but Josh Powell, seemed to hide his face down as his boy started to talk to strangers had hustled away his boys. She remarked to Associated Press “He didn’t even give the kids time to eat their sweet rolls - each had a small bite on them." There was no mention that they had ever checked into a hotel. It appears that Josh made an early exit as the boys might expose his little midnight errand.
After she saw Powell hit the news, she called a police tipline, but never got called back. By the time she got an interview by West Valley detectives, the security video tapes for the day had been recorded over.
Break In
That's a statement that's going to bite Josh in the butt.
Did she not go to bed?
Why was she cleaning carpet?
"Probably juice.." (said by someone a thousand miles away)
It would have been better if Josh had said HE cleaned up a spill.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-147392-p-3.html
http://newsblaze.com/story/20091220075129kays.nb/topstory.html
by Justice4all on Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:16 pm
Previously: Josh says his wife went to bed, and after the giant red stain had been cleaned with the rug cleaner and box fans set up to dry, he decided that moment to take a midnight camping trip in a snowstorm to the Pony Express Trail, a 6 hour drive away. Josh says mother Susan stayed at home in bed, but the boys still talk about the trip where Mommy was in the trunk, went out to look for gems, but did not come back. One man says they saw the minvan driving in the desert snow, flashing headlights if he got too close.
Free Breakfast at Sandy Comfort Inn
As the sun rose on the Monday morning of December 7, 2009, Robin Leanne Snyder, 53 worked at the Comfort Inn in the town of Sandy, about 17 miles or a half hour south of Salt Lake City. She saw Josh Powell and the boys showed up for a free continental breakfast at the Comfort Inn which was set up for people who stayed there, but which random travelers could also take advantage of at times. (myself, I would NEVER drop in at a hotel I wasn't staying at...) She recalled “Charlie looked right up at me and he says, ‘Do you know what happened to my mom?’ So I say, ‘No, what happened to your mom?’” But before she could wait for answer, she had to step away to get some more coffee. She went back to look for the boy, but Josh Powell, seemed to hide his face down as his boy started to talk to strangers had hustled away his boys. She remarked to Associated Press “He didn’t even give the kids time to eat their sweet rolls - each had a small bite on them." There was no mention that they had ever checked into a hotel. It appears that Josh made an early exit as the boys might expose his little midnight errand. After she saw Powell hit the news, she called a police tipline, but never got called back. By the time she got an interview by West Valley detectives, the security video tapes for the day had been recorded over.
Josh, Susan And the Boys Are All Missing
Back in West Valley, Susan was missed at her stockbroker job at the Wells Fargo bank. They got no answer at all on her cellphone, which was really strange for Susan who had always been a model employee. Workers at the the day care center also realized something was amiss when Charlie and Braden were overdue as well. They called Joshua's mother, Terrica who lived nearby, and she called the police.
Break In
The police break into their home and find no one. However, they did notice two fans were blowing on a wet spot. Now it's said that a carpet cleaner was found in the house. (cleaning blood from carpet? Did they test for blood? When did he rent carpet cleaner? Josh later says the stain was red, did the police notice any stain or color? No metion of this in press accounts)
While searching the house, investigators found two fans drying a wet area on the rug, where a red stain had been removed. Josh Powell said that his wife had been cleaning the rug before she disappeared. (After she went to bed??)
aytonian
08-20-2011, 02:38 PM
I don't think it was her mother, was it? All the way in Puyallup? I thought it was the boys' day care provider. She was there on the scene when the officer broke in. Hmm. I can't remember. Maybe the babysitter called Susan't mom who called police?
You're right.
It was either Josh's mother or sister Susan Graves.
"her father, Chuck Cox, says police found the wet spot on the living room floor when they first broke into Powell's house to see if the family was OK. Two fans were blowing on the spot.
Cox says he heard about it from a family member that was with police when they broke in."
Source: KSL.com, Dec 14th, 2009 (http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=9024861).
You're right.
It was either Josh's mother or sister Susan Graves.
"her father, Chuck Cox, says police found the wet spot on the living room floor when they first broke into Powell's house to see if the family was OK. Two fans were blowing on the spot.
Cox says he heard about it from a family member that was with police when they broke in."
Source: KSL.com, Dec 14th, 2009 (http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=9024861).
wzzlrgirl
08-20-2011, 02:35 PM
If I was going to leave my children and my husband to "abscond" to Brazil with a lover, the very LAST think I would even consider would be spot cleaning the rug. Really?? She had a final jolt of domesticity before abandoning her family. Uh-huh.
Haven't posted much on this thread, but I am just fascinated by this case now. I watched the clip of JP -- good Lord. I think he is very -- strange.
Haven't posted much on this thread, but I am just fascinated by this case now. I watched the clip of JP -- good Lord. I think he is very -- strange.
waltzingmatilda
I lived in a miserable marriage which took years to escape because I was afraid. Spot cleaning the carpet was the LAST thing on my mind when I finally fled. (with my children, btw)
gwenabob
08-20-2011, 03:02 PM
A piece of carpet was cut out and sent for testing.
Results unknown.
It's just one piece of the puzzle.
to add: a LARGE piece of carpet--like half the room!--according to a witness who "helped" him move out.
Results unknown.
It's just one piece of the puzzle.
to add: a LARGE piece of carpet--like half the room!--according to a witness who "helped" him move out.
laytonian
08-20-2011, 03:20 PM
A passport. Steven Koecher's is here and accounted for. Not sure if Susan had one, and if she did, where it is.
Of course.
If she had one, it'd have been listed as "left behind" with her other ID.
Oh, wait!
On the night that Susan suddenly decided to run away, she simply went to "All-Night Fake Passport and ID Service", and then got money from the payday loan store next door. Silly me.
Of course.
If she had one, it'd have been listed as "left behind" with her other ID.
Oh, wait!
On the night that Susan suddenly decided to run away, she simply went to "All-Night Fake Passport and ID Service", and then got money from the payday loan store next door. Silly me.
ollyblue
08-20-2011, 03:53 PM
I don't think it was her mother, was it? All the way in Puyallup? I thought it was the boys' day care provider. She was there on the scene when the officer broke in. Hmm. I can't remember. Maybe the babysitter called Susan't mom who called police?
I thought it was Josh's sister, but don't quote me on that. I do know that the latest timeline recently posted of that morning was not stated properly. The had the daycare woman beginning to "search" for JP and SP much later that morning, when she really started somewhere around 7am. Susan and/or Josh would drop the kids off normally around 6:30. It was 3+ hours from the time the daycare woman suspected something was wrong and the time they called LE for a welfare check. JMO, but the timeline for this is "off". Found it. There more timeline; I just listed the morning of her missing.
Monday, December 7, 2009: Family and friends first believed the entire Powell family had succumbed to carbon-monoxide poisoning when the couple didn't go to work, didn't call to let anyone know they weren't going to work, and didn't drop the children off to daycare. Timeline (times are approximate):
6:30 a.m.: Regular time children are dropped off to daycare
7 a.m. : Debbie Caldwell, the Powell's daycare provider and Susan's friend, calls Susan on cell and at work; no answer; cell phone went straight to voice-mail
8 a.m.: Debbie calls Josh' work; she was told he had not come in to work
8:50 a.m. : Debbie drove to Susan's home; pounded on the door; there was no answer
9 a.m.: Josh's mom, Terri, called (responding to Debbie's call - she lives with Jennifer, Josh's sister, and overheard the phone message Debbie left for Jennifer stating she could not get in contact with Josh or Susan)
Jennifer calls Chuck and Judy Cox to ask if they'd heard from Susan or Josh
Mid-morning: Jennifer, Terri, and Debbie discuss possible carbon-monoxide poisoning
Police were called to check on the family
No one answered the door; police broke front window and entered the house
Police found Susan's purse and keys and 2 box-type fans blowing on a wet spot on the carpet
They found the family mini-van was missing
Family surmised the family might have gone for a drive and possibly been involved in an accident
http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-seattle/susan-cox-powell-detailed-timeline-of-days-surrounding-susan-s-disappearance
I thought it was Josh's sister, but don't quote me on that. I do know that the latest timeline recently posted of that morning was not stated properly. The had the daycare woman beginning to "search" for JP and SP much later that morning, when she really started somewhere around 7am. Susan and/or Josh would drop the kids off normally around 6:30. It was 3+ hours from the time the daycare woman suspected something was wrong and the time they called LE for a welfare check. JMO, but the timeline for this is "off". Found it. There more timeline; I just listed the morning of her missing.
Monday, December 7, 2009: Family and friends first believed the entire Powell family had succumbed to carbon-monoxide poisoning when the couple didn't go to work, didn't call to let anyone know they weren't going to work, and didn't drop the children off to daycare. Timeline (times are approximate):
6:30 a.m.: Regular time children are dropped off to daycare
7 a.m. : Debbie Caldwell, the Powell's daycare provider and Susan's friend, calls Susan on cell and at work; no answer; cell phone went straight to voice-mail
8 a.m.: Debbie calls Josh' work; she was told he had not come in to work
8:50 a.m. : Debbie drove to Susan's home; pounded on the door; there was no answer
9 a.m.: Josh's mom, Terri, called (responding to Debbie's call - she lives with Jennifer, Josh's sister, and overheard the phone message Debbie left for Jennifer stating she could not get in contact with Josh or Susan)
Jennifer calls Chuck and Judy Cox to ask if they'd heard from Susan or Josh
Mid-morning: Jennifer, Terri, and Debbie discuss possible carbon-monoxide poisoning
Police were called to check on the family
No one answered the door; police broke front window and entered the house
Police found Susan's purse and keys and 2 box-type fans blowing on a wet spot on the carpet
They found the family mini-van was missing
Family surmised the family might have gone for a drive and possibly been involved in an accident
http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-seattle/susan-cox-powell-detailed-timeline-of-days-surrounding-susan-s-disappearance
Originally Posted by MsFacetious
Oh don't you worry, Josh's father has a reason for that too!
 http://abcnews.go.com/US/break-missi...ry?id=14333638 Steven Powell also spoke to the Tribune, saying that the curious wet spot found by police on the carpet in his son and daughter-in-laws home after her disappearance was from a clean-up that Susan Powell had done on a red stain that he said was "probably juice or something." |
Did she not go to bed?
Why was she cleaning carpet?
"Probably juice.." (said by someone a thousand miles away)
It would have been better if Josh had said HE cleaned up a spill.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-147392-p-3.html
Are we allowed to post links to youtube? I just watched this interview, 'Update on Missing Mother From Utah Susan Powell'. Between 1:30 and 1:40 the news report shows video of the Powell's residence. Two panels of the front bay window are broken out and covered with cardboard. Could these have been broken during a scuffle? Was this brought up before?
gwenabob
08-20-2011, 02:22 AM
Are we allowed to post links to youtube? I just watched this interview, 'Update on Missing Mother From Utah Susan Powell'. Between 1:30 and 1:40 the news report shows video of the Powell's residence. Two panels of the front bay window are broken out and covered with cardboard. Could these have been broken during a scuffle? Was this brought up before?
As I recall, the police broke at least one of those windows when they did the welfare check at the babysitter's request. They thought perhaps the Powell family fell victim to carbon monoxide poisoning. When they went inside, they found nobody home and the big, mysterious wet spot on the carpet with a fan set up to blow it dry. Why in the world would Susan clean the carpet if she was leaving her family? Why in the world would Josh clean the carpet right before heading out on a camping trip? I can only think of one viable scenario for the wet carpet...
As I recall, the police broke at least one of those windows when they did the welfare check at the babysitter's request. They thought perhaps the Powell family fell victim to carbon monoxide poisoning. When they went inside, they found nobody home and the big, mysterious wet spot on the carpet with a fan set up to blow it dry. Why in the world would Susan clean the carpet if she was leaving her family? Why in the world would Josh clean the carpet right before heading out on a camping trip? I can only think of one viable scenario for the wet carpet...
katydid23
08-20-2011, 02:41 AM
As I recall, the police broke at least one of those windows when they did the welfare check at the babysitter's request. They thought perhaps the Powell family fell victim to carbon monoxide poisoning. When they went inside, they found nobody home and the big, mysterious wet spot on the carpet with a fan set up to blow it dry. Why in the world would Susan clean the carpet if she was leaving her family? Why in the world would Josh clean the carpet right before heading out on a camping trip? I can only think of one viable scenario for the wet carpet...
Thank you for reminding me about the fan on the wet carpet spot. Let me rephrase an earlier post:
Are we to believe that 2 toddlers are taken camping at midnight in a snowstorm, and then coincidentally, on the very same night, mom runs off and changes her identity, leaving her kids forever--but first she spot cleans the carpet ?
Thank you for reminding me about the fan on the wet carpet spot. Let me rephrase an earlier post:
Are we to believe that 2 toddlers are taken camping at midnight in a snowstorm, and then coincidentally, on the very same night, mom runs off and changes her identity, leaving her kids forever--but first she spot cleans the carpet ?
http://newsblaze.com/story/20091220075129kays.nb/topstory.html
She was reported missing the next day after she failed to show up for her stockbroker job. She had been seen by friends at church and at dinner the day before.
Searching for Susan Powell: Neighbor describes husband's odd behavior
BY SHEENA MCFARLAND THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE PUBLISHED DECEMBER 23,
Neighbors called all day Dec. 7 after his wife was reported missing, and when they finally talked to Joshua Powell, it took him two hours to get home. "He just said he was driving around West Valley City," Peterson said. "He wasn't in a big hurry to get home and find his wife. It's just a really crappy situation."
Date: December 7, 2009 Time: 1PM Monday
http://www.examiner.com/family-in-seattle/susan-powell-and-joshua-powell-neighbor-tim-peterson-provides-new-information-about-the-powell-s When police responded to the call and no one answered the door they thought the family might be dead from carbon monoxide poisoning. They broke through a window and once inside discovered no one was home. There was no sign of previous forced entry. The family van was missing but Susan’s personal belongings, including her purse and cell phone, were still there. They saw two fans blowing at a wet spot on the floor.
(They evidently only have one car, so how would Susan have "run away" without anyone else seeing her? she didn't take a taxi or drive her own car. Were any footprints left? Did they have dogs check for her scent if she stepped out the door or walked around the house? Clearly they didn't check)
Apparently Susan did not have a *second* car. No APB out for a car - only her cell phone & purse were found in the home...no mention of car keys. Lucky for the police - deciding to break into the house - believing the family was perhaps suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning. Otherwise - the perp would have had time to dispose of the wet carpet, the purse and the cell phone.
Date: December 7, 2009 afternoon Josh spotted at strip club being a nuisance
Time: 2PM
Witnesses: Josh Powell was at strip club on night his wife vanished ...
www.komonews.com/news/local/87175242.htmlMar 9, 2010 – Some people don't believe it, and police have no video footage to verify the claim. But three people say Josh Powell was drinking and talking ... Workers say Josh Powell was at strip club shortly after wife ...
www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9943955Mar 8, 2010
Workers at a South Salt Lake strip club say Josh Powell may have been there in the hours after his wife ...Police doubt story of Josh Powell at strip club | Deseret News
www.deseretnews.com/.../Police-doubt-story-of-Josh-Powell-at-strip-...Mar 10, 2010 – SOUTH SALT LAKE — West Valley police say they doubt a man seen at a strip club on the day Susan Cox Powell disappeared was her ...Did Josh Powell visit strip club the day after Susan disappeared ...
www.abc4.com/...Josh-Powell...strip-club.../666gpASkxkaAnXq87N...Mar 9, 2010 – SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - The bar owners and a customer tell ABC 4 News Josh Powell was inside their establishment the day after ...Josh Powell Visited Strip Joint After Murdering His Wife, Say ...
www.truecrimereport.com/2010/.../josh_powell_visited_strip_join.ph...Mar 10, 2010 – So far, it seems Josh Powell has gotten away with murdering his wife in... I don't know whether to believe the strip club because their story ...Josh Powell was reported at a strip club just hours after Susan ...
www.examiner.com/.../josh-powell-was-reported-at-a-strip-club-just-...Mar 9, 2010 – Several employees at the Duces Wild, a strip club in Salt Lake City have reported to the police that Josh Powell was at their club the day of ...Josh Powell was reported at a strip club just hrs after Susan ...
crimeseekers.net/.../showthread.php?...Josh-Powell-was...strip-club...10 posts - 2 authors - Mar 14, 2010Josh Powell was reported at a strip club just hours after Susan Powell's disappearance March 9, 2010 Several employees at the Duces Wild, ...Josh Powell Was at a Strip Club the Day His Wife Disappeared, Say ...
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=11631Mar 11, 2010 – Josh Powell's explanation for what he was doing the night his wife Susan disappeared has never made much sense. Now, three witnesses ...
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=9941987
Re: Susan Powell -- Missing 12/7/09
by Justice4all on Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:16 pm
Date: December 7, 2009 Time: 5:00 PM Josh says he returned home at 5:00 PM
Powell allegedly told police that he left with his then 4 and 2 year old sons just after midnight for a camping trip and returned home with them around 5:00 p.m. No one at the bar claimed to have seen the two young boys.
Disappearance of Susan Powell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Susan_Powell
Joshua Powell returned home at about 5:00 pm on December 7 with the two children
returned home between 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. He was taken to the West Valley Police station to be questioned. Read more: KCSG Television - Intentional Explosion at Washington Home Kills Josh Powell 2 sons
http://abcnews.go.com/US/powell-family-tragedy-timeline-events/story?id=15520239#.Tzqto7GvigMPowell says that he returned home to find his wife gone; that Monday she did not show up to her job at Wells Fargo Financial.
Josh does not call Susan's father to say she is missing until 11AM the next day.
Date: Dec 8, 2009 Monday after they arrive at home
Steven Powell version:Steven told PEOPLE that Josh had a conversation with police the night after Susan disappeared, and that, “The ‘interview’ turned into a marathon interrogation of about 10 hours. He told them everything he knew.”
Anon sources says they were back by 9PM: an anonymous source told Examiner.com that neighbors watched as Josh arrive at his home between 5 and 6 p.m. the day Susan was reported missing.
He had allegedly been camping with his boys in the West Utah desert. He claimed he last saw Susan the night before, around midnight, and left to go camping at around 12:30 a.m.
When he returned home between 5 and 6 p.m. the following evening, Dec. 7, police were there waiting for him. They had already suspected foul play when they saw two large fans aimed at a wet spot on the carpet and Susan's purse and keys in her bedroom and wanted to take Josh in for questioning.
Josh, police, and the two children, Charlie and Braden, left shortly after Josh and the boys returned home.
Date: December 7, 2009 Time: 9PM Josh and children back from police station
Josh's neighbors contacted Examiner.com's source around 9:30 p.m. that evening and said Josh, the children, and police all returned to the house shortly after 9 p.m.
According to neighbors, police went into the house for a few moments with Josh and the kids. They said police then came out of the house and drove away, leaving Josh and the children alone all night. http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-seattle/where-is-susan-powell-her-father-law-thinks-she-s-having-a-fling-hopes-she-ll-land-on-her-feet-1#ixzz1mP5dr6rs
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